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Thousands Take to SF Streets in Rally To Defend Palestine

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On September 28th 2002, several thousand people gathered in Delores Park and marched to the Civic Center to protest for the Palestinian people and against US support for Israel.
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by Andrew
nifdiqi ya falasteen...

Free Palestine, everyone has a right to a homeland,
now Palestinians deserve much more!
by s.
Yeah, everyone deserves a home- so why the fuck aren't they protesting for the right to a homeland for the Kurds???
by that's next
One thing at a time.
by Spider dude
1.Becouse America is protecting the Kurds right now with the no fly zone.
2.This is an anti-america protest,protecting the Kurds makes America look good,so its ingored.
3.Isreal makes America look bad,so its not.
4.Mabey they could say something dumb like were exploiting them with capitalism or something.Or even make up a conspricy or two.They have good imgainations.
Free Iraq.
by anarcho
Spider. Depends which Kurds you are talking about. What does Turkey get for the AFB? Idiot.
by wrong stuff
are better than their Kurds.
by Leyla Öcalan
Your idiot! There is just one kind of kurds! Its just that Kurdistan has been divided this doesnt mean that Kurds are divided and changed! The only thing that is missing are the borders. And we are going to get them! No matter what! Its enough..after all the things we have gone through, we kurds really diserves a country of our own. Fuck Turkey! Fuck America! Fuck Bush, Sharon, Saddam and all the other assholez!!!!!!!!
by There has never been a kurdish state
There has never been a kurdish state or country or society in the past
\
sure their will..don't be such a negative person anything is possible if you want enough! you just have to put on your "happy hat" and try!
by Yomama
The pictures of people with kafiyyas (headcovers) covering their faces martyr-style send a chill down my spine.
by Scottie
I thought everyone in the region was saying "our kurds are WORSE than your kurds"...
by toon pi
I love you scottie
you're idiot
by toonpi
you're idiot
haha
I love you!
by Liberty, Equal Rights & Justice for All
On the 16th of every month, the anniversary of Rachel Corrie's martyrdom when bulldozed to death by an Israeli soldier, we will be demonstrating in front of various politicians' offices. To get updates, e-mail to get on e-mail list: americansforjustice [at] earthlink.net
by your conscience
On the 18th of every month
will you be explaining why does Palestine MURDER women and children in schools, shopping centers and churches. then try to use their deaths to their advantage in the media?

"Liberty, Equal Rights & Justice for All"? ? ? ?
too bad you don't practice what you preach
by smh.com
You have to really want it

May 31 2003


For years I believed that when it came to Middle East peacemaking, the United States couldn't want peace more than the parties themselves. I no longer believe that. In fact, I believe just the opposite. For there to be any progress, the US must want peace more than the parties themselves do - in Israel and the West Bank, and in Iraq. And the question is whether that will be the case with President Bush.

Bush deserves a tip of the hat for having his principles right. His conviction that getting rid of Saddam Hussein was necessary to build a different Iraq and a different Middle East - which are both critical for drying up terrorism - was right. And his convictions that the Palestinians had to move beyond Yasser Arafat to a responsible leadership and that the Israelis had to come to terms with the inevitability of a Palestinian state and an end to settlements, if there was to be any progress toward peace, are also right.

But the question I always have about members of the Bush team is, how good are they at translating principles into practice? When it comes to breaking things they are very, very good - whether it is the ABM treaty, the Kyoto accord, Afghanistan, Iraq or the old way of Arab-Israeli peacemaking. The Bush people believe in power and are not afraid to wield the wrecking ball. But how good are they with a hammer and a nail? How good are they at the detail work of building real alternatives - to Kyoto, Saddam or the Arab-Israel peace process? This is still the most important unanswered question about this administration. Can it reap the harvest of the principles it has sown?

Don't get me wrong - ultimately it is up to Israelis, Palestinians and Iraqis to liberate themselves. They have to want it. But at this stage, the US has to use its power to help create the context for them to do it. And that is hard.

It means taking hits politically and militarily, which is why if it is to do it right it really has to want it bad.


"In both Iraq and the Arab-Israeli conflict," says the Middle East expert Stephen Cohen, "there is such a struggle of wills within the competing parties, and between the competing parties, and the forces for and against change are so evenly balanced, that only a third party - with a clear vision - can swing things towards compromise. That is America's role. The parties themselves are always going to be focused on the immediate costs of doing something because the positive outcomes seem remote or even unlikely to them. Which is why they'll need our push."

It's still not clear how much the Bush team wants to do nation-building in Iraq. The Rumsfeld doctrine of small-force, high-tech armies may be great for winning wars, but you need the Powell doctrine for winning the peace: a massive, overwhelming investment of soldiers, police and aid.

The US should be flooding Iraq with people and money right now. Also, in destroying the Iraqi army and Baath Party, the US has destroyed the (warped) pillars of Iraqi secular nationalism. It needs to start replacing them, quickly, with alternative, progressive pillars of Iraqi secular nationalism; otherwise, Shiite religious nationalism will fill the void.

It will have to do the same in the Israeli-Palestinian negotiations. Israel's Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, has said some remarkable and important things lately, most notably: "You may not like the word but what's happening is occupation.

Holding 3.5 million Palestinians is a bad thing for Israel, for the Palestinians and for the Israeli economy." The newly elected Palestinian Prime Minister, Mahmoud Abbas, recently gave a talk detailing what a disaster the last two years of Palestinian uprising had been - an uprising encouraged by Arafat.

But translating these changes in Israeli-Palestinian principles into real changes in quality of life, for both communities, will be a full-time job for the Bush team. Because for both Israelis and Palestinians, forging a two-state solution will require some level of civil war within each community - between moderates and extremists.

And the US should want that more than they do, because if we've learned anything since September 11, it's that the spreading flames of Middle East conflicts have, in a world without walls, begun affecting its quality of life. Their madness has become the US's metal detectors - and it's had enough of it.


This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/05/30/1054177725121.html

by Osen Yurttan (ossen73 [at] yahoo.com)
TO THE ATTENTION OF THE PUBLIC OPINION;

All Kurds living within the borders of Turkiye Republic have the same rights and "first class citizens" as well as Turks. In contrast to be alleged here, in Turkish nation comprises the good mixture of other races like Turks, Greeks, Kurds, Polands, Lazes, Arabics, and other European races. In such metropolitan culture, no one can claim that there is a cultural & political discrimination applied by Turkish Govermend (and hence Turks). As you know the origin of Mr. Turgut Ozal (former President of Turkish Republic) is Kurd. Well, at this point, please DO NOT believe in the kurdish terrorists. As a toy of American imperialism, they are trying to terrorize the country to convert Turkish nation into Balkans.
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