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Police Terrorizing Indymedia.nl
On Friday November 12th at about 21.00h, the DNS-provider of Indymedia Netherlands received a writ of execution from the Haaglanden Police, demanding information on the person that posted a threat to politician Geert Wilders on the website of Indymedia.nl. The provider has to submit this information within 48 hours, that is by Sunday at 21.00h. Thus preventing the DNS-provider from seeking legal advice.
Indymedia.nl doesn't keep any logs, there is no obligation for that under the telecommunication law and considering journalism ethics, providing information about sources is at least dubious. The editorial team refused to comply with a menacing letter by the Haaglanden Police to "Friends of Indymedia" (see press release). Now the police is trying to get the non-registered and so unavailable data from the DNS-provider. The DNS-provider has nothing to do with the content of the indymedia.nl website and doesn't have any access to logs or the administration part of the website. The only thing a DNS-provider does is make sure the visitors of Indymedia.nl arrive on the website when they type http://indymedia.nl in the toolbar of their webbrouwser.
The writ of execution was delivered to the DNS-provider on a Friday night, long after all offices closed. The provider is summoned to provide the information within 48 hours. These 48 hours will be expired 12 hours before offices open again on Monday morning. This way it has been made impossible for him to seek legal advice from a lawyer or an organisation specialised in Internet law like Bits of Freedom.
The writ of execution is also addressed to the girlfriend of the DNS-provider. How she would have access to the data that aren't being kept anywhere, are not managed by her boyfriend and she has never had anything to do with is a complete mystery to the indymedia.nl editorial team. Will the police try and convince our postman to submit non-existing data next time?
This attempt by the police to force indymedia.nl to provide data it doesn't have and doesn't need to keep started after a media hype over a threat towards Geert Wilders posted in the middle of the night by a visitor to the website. The editorial team removed the posting within 45 minutes, but it still got a lot of attention in the media. The poster is still available on Fok.nl, RTL and de Telegraaf.
The Indymedia.nl editorial team is fed up with this police intimidation and hopes they will find something more constructive to do with their time after the sending of this letter.
The writ of execution was delivered to the DNS-provider on a Friday night, long after all offices closed. The provider is summoned to provide the information within 48 hours. These 48 hours will be expired 12 hours before offices open again on Monday morning. This way it has been made impossible for him to seek legal advice from a lawyer or an organisation specialised in Internet law like Bits of Freedom.
The writ of execution is also addressed to the girlfriend of the DNS-provider. How she would have access to the data that aren't being kept anywhere, are not managed by her boyfriend and she has never had anything to do with is a complete mystery to the indymedia.nl editorial team. Will the police try and convince our postman to submit non-existing data next time?
This attempt by the police to force indymedia.nl to provide data it doesn't have and doesn't need to keep started after a media hype over a threat towards Geert Wilders posted in the middle of the night by a visitor to the website. The editorial team removed the posting within 45 minutes, but it still got a lot of attention in the media. The poster is still available on Fok.nl, RTL and de Telegraaf.
The Indymedia.nl editorial team is fed up with this police intimidation and hopes they will find something more constructive to do with their time after the sending of this letter.
For more information:
http://www.indymedia.nl/en/2004/11/23184.s...
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If you don't have the records, it's up to you to prove that fact. Deal with it. Dutch politicians are finally standing up to the Jihadi thugs who are calling themselves "immigrants". When any website allows people to post actual threats against government officials, that website is responsible. The Dutch government has every right and responsibility to find people who post such things. Your "press freedom" ends when you threaten people with death.
>Your "press freedom" ends when you threaten people with death.
Oh, do feel free to citizen's arrest any one of a number of right-wing media pundits who threaten people all the time then, sfres. *yawn* bo-ring...
Oh, do feel free to citizen's arrest any one of a number of right-wing media pundits who threaten people all the time then, sfres. *yawn* bo-ring...
That's sort of strange.
Everyone knows that most of the child pornography online is in the Netherlands.
Sfres - get real. Jihadi aren't using indymedia. That's pretty sad policework to track down terrorists by seeing who's posting comments on indymedia. It's the ultimate in laziness, plus wouldn't work.I'm trying to imagine these new people at the CIA once they purge the entrenched people, and they're going to have to set up new contacts in foreign countries they don't understand. Oh... why don't they simply go to google and type in some search terms and decide what's going on that way. No terrorist is trying to get their message out in arguments on blogs or indymedia. If you think about the population size, vs the posting rate of those European countries, it's clear that not such a large group outside a few university left really reads them anyway.
Everyone knows that most of the child pornography online is in the Netherlands.
Sfres - get real. Jihadi aren't using indymedia. That's pretty sad policework to track down terrorists by seeing who's posting comments on indymedia. It's the ultimate in laziness, plus wouldn't work.I'm trying to imagine these new people at the CIA once they purge the entrenched people, and they're going to have to set up new contacts in foreign countries they don't understand. Oh... why don't they simply go to google and type in some search terms and decide what's going on that way. No terrorist is trying to get their message out in arguments on blogs or indymedia. If you think about the population size, vs the posting rate of those European countries, it's clear that not such a large group outside a few university left really reads them anyway.
oh - they also deleted the posting, which was during the night, within 45 minutes. Ridiculous - they have no liability. Shouldn't people be aware that there are people who hate the politician that much, than have it be a surprise if someone actually attacks him?
http://indymedia.nl/en/2004/11/23184.shtml
http://indymedia.nl/en/2004/11/23184.shtml
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