6/4 Vigil in San Jose to Protest Police Killing of Samuel Martinez

Posted on Fri, May. 27, 2005

Officer shoots, kills S.J. resident

POLICE: MAN CHARGED, GRABBED COP'S BATON

By Sandra Gonzales

Mercury News

After a woman called 911 to report that her ex-boyfriend was breaking into her home Thursday, a San Jose police officer shot and killed him when he charged at the officer with a baton, authorities said.

Samuel Martinez, 34, of San Jose, died at Santa Clara Valley Medical Center shortly after the 3 a.m. shooting at the 2700 block of Countrywalk Circle in the northern Berryessa district.

Martinez's girlfriend was home alone with her three children when she called police to report that he was banging on the back door and trying to break in.

When the officer arrived, he noticed a van parked in front of the townhouse. Martinez immediately stepped out of the van and, ignoring the officer's commands, menacingly approached him, said San Jose police officer Gina Tepoorten.

``He became uncooperative and combative,'' Tepoorten said. She said Martinez charged at the officer who then drew his Taser gun and fired it twice, striking Martinez at close range. Neither stun appeared to have an effect on Martinez, who subsequently grabbed the officer around his waist, she said.

So the officer reportedly fired his Taser gun twice more and appeared to momentarily stun Martinez. But soon after, Martinez grabbed the officer's baton and charged at the officer, according to Tepoorten.

At that point, Tepoorten said, the officer drew his gun and fired it multiple times, striking Martinez.

Tepoorten said the woman and her children were inside as the shooting unfolded. Back-up officers arrived shortly after the shooting.

The officer, whose name was not released, is a seven-year veteran of the force and has been placed on routine administrative leave, pending review of the case by the Santa Clara County District Attorney's Office and the San Jose Police Department's Internal Affairs Unit.

Thursday's shooting was the first fatal shooting by a San Jose police officer since Jan. 21, when an officer opened fire on Hai Nguyen, 22, as Nguyen allegedly pointed a gun at him after holding police at bay for more than two hours in his home west of the Alum Rock area.

Last year, San Jose police had six officer-involved shootings, all but one of them fatal.

Anyone with information is asked to call detective Tony Mata or detective Sgt. Gil Vizzusi of the department's homicide unit at (408) 277-5283. Those wishing to remain anonymous may call Crime Stoppers at (408) 947-STOP.
Contact Sandra Gonzales at sgonzales [at] mercurynews.com or (408) 920-5778.

Posted on Fri, May. 27, 2005


Officer involved in fatal S.J. shooting named

By Chuck Carroll and Sandra Gonzales

Mercury News

San Jose police today identified the officer who fatally shot a man early Thursday after the suspect allegedly grabbed the cop's baton during a hand-to-hand struggle outside an ex-girlfriend's house.

Police spokesman Nick Muyo said the officer is Patrick Guire, a seven-year veteran of the San Jose Police Department. Guire is on routine paid administrative leave pending investigations into San Jose police's second shooting of 2005.

The fatal shooting of 34-year-old Samuel Martinez of San Jose came after a woman called 911 to report that her ex-boyfriend was breaking into her home at about 3 a.m. Thursday.

Martinez died at Santa Clara Valley Medical Center shortly after the shooting outside the town house on the 2700 block of Countrywalk Circle in the northern Berryessa district. Martinez's girlfriend was home alone with her three children when she called police to report that he was banging on the back door and trying to break in. When Guire arrived, he noticed a van parked in front of the townhouse. Martinez immediately stepped out of the van and, ignoring the officer's commands, menacingly approached him, San Jose police officer Gina Tepoorten said Thursday. ``He became uncooperative and combative,'' Tepoorten said. She said Martinez charged at Guire, who then drew his Taser gun and fired it twice, striking Martinez at close range. Neither stun appeared to have an effect on Martinez, who subsequently grabbed the officer around his waist, she said.

So Guire reportedly fired his Taser gun twice more and appeared to momentarily stun Martinez. But soon after, Martinez grabbed the officer's baton and charged at the officer, according to Tepoorten. At that point, Tepoorten said, the Guire drew his gun and fired it multiple times, striking Martinez. Tepoorten said the woman and her children were inside as the shooting unfolded. Back-up officers arrived shortly after the shooting. Guire is a seven-year veteran of the force and has been placed on routine administrative leave, pending review of the case by the Santa Clara County District Attorney's Office and the San Jose Police Department's Internal Affairs Unit. Thursday's shooting was the first fatal shooting by a San Jose police officer since Jan. 21, when an officer opened fire on Hai Nguyen, 22, as Nguyen allegedly pointed a gun at him after holding police at bay for more than two hours in his home west of the Alum Rock area. Last year, San Jose police had six officer-involved shootings, all but one of them fatal. Anyone with information is asked to call detective Tony Mata or detective Sgt. Gil Vizzusi of the department's homicide unit at (408) 277-5283. Those wishing to remain anonymous may call Crime Stoppers at (408) 947-STOP.
Contact Chuck Carroll at ccarroll [at] mercurynews.com or (408) 920-5206.

makes me worry about just visiting relitives, talk about a downer for the tourist trade. if they'll do that to their own citizens?

So what should the cop have done? Should he have been beaten? Should he have let this man break into the house? Would you like being a cop and facing this man and your own critism?

What should the cop have done?

Hew should have manned up and used his fists instead of woosing out and using weapons.

Should have he been beaten?

if he couldnt defend himself with his fists like a man.

Should he have let the man break into the house?

He was banging on the door, does that sound like breaking and entering to you?

Would I like being a cop and facing this man and your own critisizm?

Nope because I'd never be cop, and I dont care about anyone who is.

You say he should be a man and use his fists, that this guy was just beating on a door and the cop over reacted. I can only tell you to spend a night riding around with the cops to see how it's really done. Don't take my word or anyone else's on what is right or wrong, find out for yourself.

Hey 321, who are you going to call if someone threatens to beat you? Are you going to be man enough to face a crowd of three monsters? Who do the women call when they are threatened? You?
It sounds like this cop was fully justified in shooting that suspect.

Apparently, some of you didn't read the whole story. The officer used a tazer gun 4 times and it didn't work. Ask yourself why it didn't work? No normal person could withstand 4 tazer shots without the possibility of being on some type of narcotic. The suspect CHOOSE the way the situation was going to go down. Why in the world was he out and about at 3AM? Most people are sleeping. And if the police were called, then he was obviously doing something that he should not have been doing. He put the officer involved in danger by his own aggresive behavior. How dare any of you to condemn the officer involved. The officer was doing his job that he was called on to do. The suspect created this situation and it went down the way the suspect wanted it to. This all wouldn't have happened if the suspect would have just complied with the officer. Better yet, if the suspect cared anything about his children inside. He wouldn't have shown up in the middle of the night bangging on the door, so his kids could witness his uncontrolled behavior. He should have been at home sleeping like the rest of us. The officer didn't create this situation the suspect did. As for the person who wrote about using your fists. GIVE ME A BREAK!!! It sounds like the officer did it by the book! I'd like to see what you would do in the same situation. Oh that's right,your one of those opinionated people untill the tables are turned on you and you want to know why the police didn't protect you better. Every situation unfolds the way the suspect wants it to. Hummm...If you are an upstanding citizen, there's no need to call the police...What a thought....The policeman involved is a HERO!!!

Did I mention that in the news report, the police officer tried to talk to the suspect but that the suspect wouldn't comply. So there goes anyones theory on talking down the suspect. Everyone seems to have opinions on what should have been done. It seems to be so easy for all of you to always point fingers at any officer that's involved in a situation that you don't like the outcome of.

I have 3 kids and I'll tell you what, if someones banging on my door at 3AM trying to break in. I would expect the police to do whatever is necessary to stop the person.

shut up. Whatever happened in this situation, I don't know, but I do know that I don't just line up behind the cops eagerly and support them. I look at what they do critically, and from a point of view that STARTS with the idea that they are apt to abuse their power---as they have historically, over and over again, acting as bullies and being generally abusive.

no one cares, not in san jose. the police have the support of the population. you do not

Fuck her? No fuck you! You are pretty quick to lose your temper there little man. Maybe you have been the object of a few calls yourself and want to stir up the shit to make for the time you found yourself face down on the hood.

No one likes a cop, but it's a job that has to be done. I don't call people hero unless it was an exceptional situation. I don't see this as being exceptional.

Like I said earlier, go see what they do on the job, see what a night on midshift is like.
Or you can keep up this mental masturbation that you have going on. Kind of like Curly in the 3 Stooges, you're making a lot of noise and going in a circle but nothing constructive.

Love ya

many, many times---way overboard---on the streets, in jail/prison settings---I agree with the posting about not coming from a place of blind trust in any power. I'm not saying every cop is corrupt or abusive---I've worked with them here in San Francisco, had political discussions with them, ect.---but as nice as it would seem they were, they loved to get physical--and admitted it.

WOW!!! I guess I hit a nerve! I myself believe that there are a few bad eggs in the police department somewhere. I was brought up to respect people in authority. The officer was able to not have a hostage situation happen. Which could have turned out just horribily. The children were safe and so was the mother. The suspect/father of the children was (if I saw and read the picture correctly) was a sex offender. I could be wrong but look it up in megans law.
I agree to a point about your statement in regards to a Hero. I believe that the officer is a hero from the stand point of one less sex offender on the street.

Thanks Joel!!!!

When people are given uniforms, badges and guns and given the duty of "protecting" people from violence, then the only outcome will be more violence..

So called "civilized" society in the USA is dependent on police with guns because of economic inequality between racial/ethnic and class stratifications. This is a similar situation with the INS and "Minutemen" wasting their time/energy along the imaginary US/MEX border. Eliminate the economic inequality and there will be less violence..

Here's a question for ya'll..

How is it that indigenous people managed to live in North America for thousands of years without the need for a uniformed gun toting police force?

We are told from an early age society needs state supported police or the community will be overrun by criminals, yet the only problem indigenous N. Americans had after ten thousand (+?) years was being overrun by imperialist land grabbing Europeans who introduced the concept of police into their society. If they even existed, the occasional rapist, child molester or other violent criminal was dealt with by the tribe. Most likely these violent situations were very rare when compared to the overwhelming violence obsessed sickness present in the USA today..

Most other nations don't have the same amount of violence as here in the USA. Colonialism forced a police state in many lands in Africa and other places where previous indigenous peoples didn't have the need for "protection"..

So if the police would put down their guns, take off their uniforms and actually do something positive (like staying home, having a beer with the neighbors and growing vegetables on their suburban lawns), they wouldn't be put in the position of having to kill people..

The community, neighborhood or tribe can take care of it's own. If we eliminate the economic inequality that plagues the USA today, then we will discover violence and other transgressions are indeed a rare occurance. We may need to deal with the religious media perverts like Jerry Falwell/Pat Robertson who use the (Zionist) Christian religion as a dogmatic weapon to fuck up people's minds with guilt, homophobia, mysogyny, patriarchy and self hatred..

Police violence and imperialist militarism are the same core problem based on greed and inequality. This dysfunctional behavior is leading us headfirst into a nuclear holocaust..

True equality, peace and harmony seems a difficult dream to actualize, yet if we don't find a way to manifest true peace and harmony soon, our dependency on police and military can eventually drive humanity into extinction..

In the event of a nuclear holocaust, there will always be plenty of cockroaches remaining to feast on our bloated decayed radioactive corpses..

Choose your destiny..

luna moth

On one hand the San Jose police seem a little trigger happy. Six shootings with five deaths seems pretty high. The killing of the Vietnamese woman with the potato peeler seems particularly messed up.

On the other hand the barrio defense committee seems closely aligned with Uhuru house an Oakland based cult that has no community support whatsoever. Based on their goofball nationalist rhetoric and alliance with Uhuru its pretty clear that whatever they say should be taken with a grain of salt.

Bob asked who am I going to call if someone threatens to beat me?am I going to me man enough to face a crowd of three monsters?who do women call when their threatened?me?

1- I'm not going to call anyone because I dont need to be babied and have someone come to my rescue, I'll take my beating if these "monsters" are stronger than me.

2- Women should call their husband, boyfriend or father and if they dont have one of those I guess they would be S.O.L

Anyway Police are pretty useless and we should stop wasting tax payer money on something we dont need.

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What gives you the idea that the Uhuru people are of a cult? What a crock of eurocentric shit.

The BDC stands up to ANYONE including the white left, who impose any form of barrier that prevents Xican@s, indigenous peoples from telling it like it is, and more so when the demands involve a centuries long struggle.

If there is a common denominator between the two its the fact they have no one speaking for them but themselves!

Evryone is going back and forth about who is right or wrong. I have this question to ask when does the killings end? There have been too many killings by officers here in this city for a very long time. They say if your an "upstanding citizen" you have nothing to worry about, but what happens when you are upstanding with no criminal record and get treated like if you were a lowlife due to your appearance(color of your skin). Is this right and fair?? Is it right to take someone's life over a CD player,vegetable peeler,cigarette, or running and getting shot in the back. Is it right and fair for officers to be judge jury and executioner? When will bad cops be held accountable for their misdeeds and transgressions? Somebody has to do something right? Or should we all pretend we do not see what is going on?

That's the problem, the suspects are NOT listening.....When are the suspects going to listen? If your claiming that the different ethnic groups are being treated poorly. Then I guess they shouldn't look like punks and trouble makers. Statistics show that its the different ethnic groups that are causing the crimes, not the white people.

Nothing tops so called statistics than living it yourself. Of course you wouldn't know that, eh? Go run back to suburbia and your Mommy and Daddy.

To the person who said that white poeple are not commiting crime the statement couldn't be more false. There is a study that shows that in the united states, white poeple commite more crimes then any other race. If you don't believe me look it up.

Who cares who's committing the crimes, just don't commit them and the cops won't get called.

You all seem to miss the point, some one called and asked the police for assistance. The cop showed up. The individual was combative and the situation escaleted to deadly force.

This was not a guy walking along the sidewalk and the cops shot him for fun.

For those who talk tough, realize that every situation a cop is involved in there is always at least 1 gun. The cop's. If they were to duke it, they take the chance of losing and having themselves shot with their own gun. Plus, not all cops are guys, nor are all male cops bodybuilders. Expecting them to go into hand to hand combat is not realistic.

No where in the article is race mentioned except for those shot. You don't know if it was a female latina cop or a black male cop, just that it was a cop.
The police department has a use of force policy that spells out what is acceptable and what is not. Does your city have dash cams? Chances are this incident was recorded and on file. Police officers also have pocket recorders. Usually every conversation with an officer gets recorded,(in case you did not know). It protects them from false harrasment claims. BTW mall security guards do it too. There is a record of what happened.

Now comes the time when i tell you that you are lucky to be living where you are. out of all the third world shitholes i have seen, you have life pretty good in San Jose, CA and the US altogether. This is not brasil where the military goes through barrios and guns down as many street kids as they can find to cut down on crime. This is not Saudi Arabia where you're biggest crime is not being a muslim arab and are subject to rape and torture at the whim of your employer. There are pages of examples I could give you. It's not perfect here, but it's a pretty damn good deal. if there really is a wrong, then work to right it, but if there is no injustice done, then sit down and shut the fuck up.

"..that you are lucky to be living where you are. out of all the third world shitholes i have seen, you have life pretty good in San Jose, CA and the US altogether."

As long as you measure from the bottom, you will accept far more injustice than is neccessary. Start measuring from the top. This is the common "America love it or leave it" simplistic/measuring from the bottom up argument that is spewed from right-wing jingoistic-AM radio nuts across the country. It doesn't fly.

Not what I said. I said you have a pretty good life where you are at. if an actual wrong was committed, then work to right it. But if you are trying to manufacture an injustice to feed whatever need you have or further your political agenda-"hen Shut the fuck up!" if the cop was wrong, let him fry. If the cop did his/her job, game over.

The San Jose Police officer was justified in doing what he did! He took the necessary steps that he was trained to do. The results for some people were unfortunate, but oh well. Like I said earlier, the suspect should have complied.

California is the best place! We have it all! I'm not sure what top your speaking of? As for the USA, There's no doubt that we live in the best country in the World!

Granted there are places within both California and the Country in a whole, that are least desirable to live in. But that's only because the people that live in those areas are making it that way.

Everyone makes their own choices. People need to start thinking and making wiser choices with their lives.

The cops that are corrupt will be caught and tried by the good ones.

You say the USA ios the best country in the world---can you give some specific reasons for that? Details, please. I will refute the myths that I expect you to give as reasons.

First of all you can become a citizen by being born here. In Kuwait, you may only become a kuwaiti citizen through marriage or by being born into one of the tribes that started the country. All others are guests. Overall it's not bad, but you can be shit on and shipped out for any reason. very few rights.
If you are not a US citizen you still get equal coverage of the law.
The govt. actually does some of the things it sets out to do. Roads are built, electric power works, there are stores that you can get what you need if not what you want. The toilets work and the sewage goes to a treatment [lant and not into the street.
You can actually express yourself w/o fear of torture or your family getting locked up.

I can go on and on. You take this as a given everywhere. It's not. Every country I go to I have made friends, met nice people saw interesting things, but it is good to be home. My examples first hand-Panama,Costa Rica, Colombia, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, Afghanistan, Iraq, Grenada, Korea, Japan, UK, Germany, Denmark. Sorry I can't give more examples, but I've been trying to cut back on travel.

Unbelievable!!!

Tell me why the USA is so great???
Or is Joel going to do all your talking because you can't support your allegations
Joel's response was weak---there are many countries that build roads/infastructure as well or better than in the US
I was expecting some lofty ideals having to with capitalism, ect.
Or even something about the failed Bush administration---
Not some countires that are worse off---that's measuring from the bottom up again...
So Khristine---can you illistrate your point?

That’s fine, you can argue any point that I make. That’s one of our rights just living here, freedom of speech. I live in a beautiful area in the wine country. Everywhere I look is grapevines. I can dress in shorts and flip flops, and nobody can tell me otherwise. The air is clean and fresh with the abundance of wildlife all around me. The beaches up and down the coastline are a wonderful place to frolic in the sun on the weekends. I can drive an hour and I’m in the city, where there are wonderful restaurants, bars & theater. My children go to wonderful schools, where there is little violence, except for the occasional boy fight over who’s the better athlete. As for the rest of the country that I’ve seen, it’s all exciting and different. We here in America are fortunate to not have to experience war on our home front. Except for 911. But we don’t live the day to day war, like they do in the middle east. There is no fear of getting sick from our drinking water. We have more than enough food to go around. Just look at everybody. Our roads are paved, were not traveling or living in dirt. We don’t live in fear. At least I don’t. I feel very safe here in America. I’ve been to other places, not as many as Joel. ( Joel is very fortunate to have had the opportunity to travel abroad). I’ve seen military outside banks, (Mexico, SouthernItaly), we don’t have that here, and I’ve been to the most southern part of Mexico right outside of the Guatemalan border and experienced dirt bathrooms, with only a hole in the ground. I’ve seen meat and fish unrefridgerated covered with flies in supermarkets. We at least have refrigeration. I believe that we do live in a pretty great place. You can dissect everything that I say or that Joel says that we believe to be true, but if you do, then what in the world are you doing living here? And, if you don’t live here, maybe you should visit.
Oh, and if your going to try and break the glass bubble that I live in. It's Bullet/sound proof.

this quote of yours says it all--" Oh, and if your going to try and break the glass bubble that I live in. It's Bullet/sound proof"
That's called denial, and if you're determined to believe things that are false, in spite of evidence to the contrary, I can't do much in the way of persuasion. If you choose to have an open mind, be critical, and engage in some discovery/fact-finding/education, though---you would find out that your small world is not indicitive of reality---for all of the US or the rest of the world. The US makes up about 5% of the global population and consumes 60% of the world's resources--these resources are not infinite---this quote, " can drive an hour and I’m in the city, where there are wonderful restaurants, bars & theater" is simplistic, ethno-centric and self-centered---yes you can do all these things---but are you conscience of the price? The gas you use--as we know--has an enormous price in terms of foreign policy, global conflict, the envrionment. I may elaborate on this with links/in depth/specific examples in future dialogue(if we continue) but I have to read 63 pages for class tomorrow, and I work f/t, have to get up at 5am. This quote, "The air is clean and fresh with the abundance of wildlife all around me" is very interesting. Have you kept track of the rollbacks to environmental regulation that have been pushed/enacted by the Bush administration? Once again, if you're interested, I'd be glad to porvide lists/links. your quote"My children go to wonderful schools, where there is little violence, except for the occasional boy fight over who’s the better athlete." This is not the case everywhere. I have to believe that you do know this. There are schools, here in the richest country on the earth, that don't have adequete books/supplies---alot of them. In the meantime, money pours into the bottomless pit of accountability--the Pentagon/War machine.
your quote--"We here in America are fortunate to not have to experience war on our home front. Except for 911. But we don’t live the day to day war, like they do in the middle east." Not yet, but as long as the US continues to live in this ethnocentric, greedy bubble, (kind of like the one you live in) and ignores the rest of the world---we are increasing our chances---especially with nuts dictating foreign policy like we have now---of much more violence on the home front.--your quote, "there is no fear of getting sick from our drinking water." Yes there is, just not as fast as some other places. your quote, "We have more than enough food to go around."---Yes, you do---but there are children and adults starving all over america, as well as many that are close---also, a small portion of what we spend on the military industrial complex would end starvation for the entire world.
I'll leave it at that for now---if you would like to dispute any of my alegations, let me know which ones and I'll back them up with links/stats/ect.----just be specific.

You are right. Life sucks in America (for you). We are all such pigs. Do us a favor and kill yourself now.

If it's so fucking bad here, why do people keep wanting to leave their wonderful 3rd world paradise and move here? We don't have Robert Mugabe as president for life. We have some semblance of a democracy and have a small voice in what happens to us.
The consumption you speak so ill of is what the others aspire to but only the very wealthy can attain in other places. he can do so by shitting on every one else. Out side of the US, there are only a few places in the world were you can choose your destiny.

I'm not saying love it or leave it. I am saying, know what you have and be fucking grateful for it. You are right I can go on and name place after place worse than the US, that's my point.

***You are right. Life sucks in America (for you). We are all such pigs. Do us a favor and kill yourself now***
This is an extreme response that epitomizes the arguments on the right, luckily, I know that you are a little sharper than that response would indicate. I'll simply respond by saying my life doesn't suck, it's good, and I understand that, from a global perspective, I am privilaged---and with that privilage comes responsibility----I take it, whereas people who live in a bubble, continuing to consume without awareness, are not.
You need to realize that part of the reason that this country is so wealthy is at the expense of some of these 'worse off' places that you mention---is that ok? Is it ok when corporations---many of them US based (albeit lossely these days)--exploit/abuse children/people/the environment all over the world so Khristine can live in her bubble?

I created my bubble that I live in. I worked hard to get here. Create your own bubble. Yes, I maybe a consumer, who isn't? Everyone here, including yourself makes the choice on where and how they live. I'm sorry for the starving kids. I give food to the church. The starving children didn't ask to be here. The mother shouldn't have spread her legs if she couldn't take care of her kids.(sorry to be crude) but since she did, the mothers of these children, need to stop sucking off the system and get a job or two. As for the gas consuption, I drive an econimical car. Yea, I'd like a big gas gusseling yukon, but I don't have one. I recycle and have gardens and compost pits. Hell, The needy kids at xmas time rake in more presents from me then my own kids do.
The world around me is not perfect, but, I do what I can and in the short amount of time that I'm on this earth, I'm going to create for myself the perfect situation. And Yes, I did vote for Bush. That's a debate in it's self.

your quote, "The mother shouldn't have spread her legs if she couldn't take care of her kids.(sorry to be crude) but since she did, the mothers of these children, need to stop sucking off the system and get a job or two"
You voted for Bush---he is king of corporate welfare---why is it ok for corporations to suck off the system, but not a poor mother?
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=118263
The Bush administration is a disgrace to humanity
They lied see: http://www.geocities.com/jacksonthor/lieswmd.html
and it was based on an agenda that was in place long before 9-11--see
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqmiddleeast2000-1997.htm

here's another good link
http://www.bushtax.com/

something about rocket fuel in your water
http://www.environmentcalifornia.org/newsletters/summer05/article1.html

My water comes from a natural spring. We have a well.
Bushes tax plan has worked out well for us.
I don't believe in Michael Moore's movie. Which I own.
As for the poor mothers, they should have thought twice about ruining a poor childs life and stuck to ruining theirs.

It's apparent that we come from two different point of views.

Kristine clearly me and you are from other worlds. You live in a world were everyone is loved and no one is hated. You live in a fantasy. The group of people you are so quick to back up (the police) is probably the second most corrupted group of individuals on the planet, and who will also go to great lengths to maintain there abusive power. In Sacramento there was a peaceful protest of the Gm Food Corp. The cops came in record numbers at one point protestor said the cops out numbered them 7 to 1. The cops cut of routes of the march and told the protestors to go back the other way. They would herd people in on spot and tell them to disperse but not allow them to leave. The police blocked all exits routes and wouldn’t move. Which order should you follow if they tell you to disperse and then block the way? If you stand there they will arrest you if you try to go past the cops in the direction they have order you to go they will say you being hostile and taser you for no reason at all. Also random people were taser. Some of these people were not even protesting they were just standing around minding their own business. And to make matters worse the police changed the laws the day before so they could arrest people. So people were being arrested for new laws but were not informed they laws had been changed. The cops beat the protestor for no reason. So what do you do in this case get beat by an officer who will not be prosecuted for his or her wrong doings? Or do you fight back if you fight back you run the risk of being shot multiple times by several police officers? The police also prevented people from filming there unlawful actions by shining bright light at cameras. They also beat the protestor to the point were the streets had many spots covered in blood. After all this the 70 or so people who were arrested were let go in random spots. A prime example was a 16 year old girl was let out on the side of a highway 40 miles outside of town with no phone and no way to protect herself. Now does this sound like a group of people you want protecting you. To me it seems like they are a bunch of cowards hiding behind their badges. Because of people like you who are willing to over look this bad action because of one good action the police that are sworn to protect us, now try to control us. How can you stand by them?

Kristine Life is not bad but it can be much improved.

Believe it or not I was a union steward for 8 years working to get fair representation for people on labor issues. I hate to see kids exploited, to see a company pay an employee next to nothing to make a pair of shoes, then charge you $100. I hate the grossly rich that run companies into the ground and fire employees to add more to their own pockets. I do have a problem with that. But it's everywhere man, in every country. It's not uniquely American.

For the guy at the labor protest. i was not there, so I can't verify your statements. But from other times and places, if they say move, it means run. If you want to dwaddle and argue points, you get hit. Watch the Miami Model. It's a propaganda piece, but then most media is. After Seattle, no city is willing to give any leeway on big protests, so the cops come out in force. Notice that every time in the film that some one does not move with a purpose in the other direction, they get pepperballed. civil dis obediance has a price. If you don't want to pay the price, don't try to play the game.
I'm not a cop now, but have been one, and been a soldier too. The big protest may be a n event for you, but is a total pain in the ass for them. It's either too hot or too cold, they have on lots of gear, are probably thirsty or have to take a leak, and here you come. He/she does not care about why you are there, your just sucking time out of their life requiring them to be there and not doing some other thing. it may turn out to be a nonstarter or it could get ugly, never know. But the minute you show your ass, start name calling, throwing paint, the restraint becomes less and hitting anyone standing in front of them with OC/pepperballs/taser, baton is what follows. There are snatch teams to get instigators in the crowd, but usually those folks are smart and send other in to do their bidding and take the blows.

Don't always side with the cops, but yeah, I know what it's like from both sides.

Kristine how can you honestly stand by a president that is uneducated. A president who will lie, cheat, and steal for his own personal gain. Who will commit mass genocide on a group of people less fortunate. Point number one president Bush can barely speak properly. If he can barely speak properly how is he going to constructed a financial plan for the United States debt problem. A problem which he created in the first place. President Bush Inauguration cost 11 million dollars. Now be honest what exactly can you spend 11 million dollars on, for an inauguration? Second point president Bush is willing to lie, cheat, and steal to get what he wants. For example, the war in Iraq. His initial reason for going to war with Iraqis was because Saddam Hussein was some how connected with the terrorist attacks on 9/11. Then since that was obviously not true he switched his argument, saying that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and was planning to go to war with the United States. This reason was good enough to warrant military action. However, after the Unites States seized control of Iraq and they found not one single weapon of mass destruction they changed their argument to we were liberating the Iraqis from an unjust leader. Clearly all he wanted was the enormous fortune of wealth under Iraq (oil), and was not concerned with the welfare of the Iraqis. The third and final point Mass Genocide. When the United States Military attacked Iraq and Afghanistan they shelled the cities with mortars for days, crumbling the cities buildings. The action killed many innocent people. People who may have not agreed with what happened on 911. People with families and friends. Imagine how they must have felt when they heard explosion outside their rooms and not hearing them stop for hours and hours. Not knowing if the next mortar would hit them or a loved one.

Joel Clearly you didn’t understand what I was saying the protestor were not the hostile ones it was the police. They police order people to disperse but then circled around them so they couldn’t so what exactly are you supposed to do.

Joel Clearly you didn’t understand what I was saying the protestor were not the hostile ones it was the police. They police order people to disperse but then circled around them so they couldn’t so what exactly are you supposed to do.

Joel Clearly you didn’t understand what I was saying the protestor were not the hostile ones it was the police. They police order people to disperse but then circled around them so they couldn’t so what exactly are you supposed to do.

Sorry about my comment being posted 3 times I most have hit the pubish button to many times.

Joel I understand police have a difficult job. But it is when police abuse their status and attack innocent people. Some of the people tasered and arrested were not even protestors. They were people minding their own business and happened to be in the wrong place at the right time.

Oh yeah one more thing Joel I was not at the protest. And it was not a labor protest. People were protesting the GM Food Corp because GM was considering using genetically modified food.

Joel this comment refers your comment “If you want to dwaddle and argue points, you get hit.” That which you speak of is a criminal act which most people call batter, or assault. Hitting someone for no reason is against the law. A law which the police broke. However, they were not prosecuted because they were somehow justified in hitting people they told to move, but didn’t move, because they (the Police) blocked the exit. No one deserves to be hit for no reason, especially a group of PEACEFUL protestor who just wanted to be heard abd voice their opinion.

The law says it's ok for cops to use force in certain settings. If a cop decides he wants to go around slapping people for the sheer joy of it, he gets arrested himself/herself.
I mentioned labor for the protest/ picketing part.
They have to have a legal justification for every action they do, or they or their department gets sued. They may also face criminal charges too.

If we get started on Iraq or Afghanistan, it won't be pretty here. I do have a bias. I am in Kandahar right now. Was in Al-Taji and Baghdad last year. Don't agree with the reasons for going into Iraq, but don't see any easy answer to end it. And walking away will make it worse.
Afghanistan is another story. improvements are coming around here, but it's a side show. No one wants to dump money into this place. I mean nobody, not Europe, not Asia.
No I'm not a soldier, but I get paid to act like one.

earlier on in all this mess, the subject was use of force by police. There are times when they have to kill people to fulfill their duty of protecting the public. it should not be an everday event. If it happens often the community they serve needs to ask why this is happening. Is it the cops training, or is it the people the cops are meeting. There really are a lot of bad people in the world. i don't think it's as dangerous a place as the news media would like to make you believe, but it can still hurt you.

The start of this thread was about domestic violence. In the small town I was a police officer in, we had 2-3 night a week that typically had 4-5 calls a night for DV. It could be anything from a loud verbal to sexual assault with strangulation(he videtaped himself doing it). In these situations you have moments to decide what to do and if your first choice does not work you move on to something else. in this case verbal commands did not work, the taser did not work(don't know why) and the suspect was shot.

maybe you didn't read this:
They lied, see: http://www.geocities.com/jacksonthor/lieswmd.html
and it was based on an agenda that was in place long before 9-11--see
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqmiddleeast2000-1997.htm
Your beloved president lied, along with those other sacks of human refuse that work with him, resulting in up to 100,000 deaths---(this is a little more than lying about a blowjob)
You say"My water comes from a natural spring. We have a well.
Bushes tax plan has worked out well for us.
I don't believe in Michael Moore's movie. Which I own.
As for the poor mothers, they should have thought twice about ruining a poor childs life and stuck to ruining theirs.

It's apparent that we come from two different point of views."
Well, maybe Bush's tax plan worked out well for you, but are you all that matters?--What about the rest of the people in your community? Or is it all about you?--In the meantime--Bush's tax cuts are a major contributor to the highest deficit in history--that's not the 'fiscal responsibility' the Republicans have tradionally talked about, is it? Also, your water coming from the natural spring may not be as safe as you think it is---and once again--the majority of people don't have a natural spring---what about them? See, just because I have a water purifier at home, doesn't mean that I stop caring about the chemicalsbeing dumped into water nationwide--and worldwide for that matter--because it's not all about me----Once again, your world view is based on what appears to be a blind ignorance/denial---an unwillingness to explore facts (i.e. Bush's fiscal policy is a disastor) also---it seems to based in fear of change, and desperately clinging to a view.

I couldn't agree more.

How is beating someone in a peaceful protest lawful? Especially when you prevent them for doing the command you order them to do. The problem with your agrument that the police are brought up on charges is they are not being brought up on charges. And if they are most of them get out of it.
Also to your argument about the war in Iraq. I will have to agree with you. We shouldn't have been there in the first place. However, we are there and we are not helping. If your not a part of the solution your part of the problem. I will also agree with you that there is no easy way to end it. I can't think of a way to end it, but I'm sure there is a way.
To your agrument about police having to make split second decisions. I agree with you on that, but to many cops are making the wrong decisions. I have been trained in Martial Arts and to take someone down of average size that has a club is not a difficult as it sounds. Why aren't these police officers being trained more in Martial Arts?

I appreciate your back up on this message board. You have had many more expirences than I. What I have is the knowledge of police/fireman point of views, being that they are in my family. Yea, maybe I am one sided because of it, I have never gotten into trouble or used drugs and neither has any of my children. I wouldn't want to surround myself with any other type of person.

This thread started because of SJPD officer involved shooting. That officer is a family member. And, no matter what some of these other posters are saying about it. They weren't in the situation. This officer is highly trained and he's no little man.

None of these posters have even made a mention about the criminals. And what to do about it. They have only pointed out what the police are doing wrong and dog piling me(which is fine, I'm not effected by it) They talk about peaceful protesting. I seen the protesting in San Francisco. The protesters are not nice. Spitting in the police's faces. That's disrespectful not peaceful. Breaking inocent peoples car windows. How's that peaceful? In between all of the mumbo gumbo(which some of it, I will do some research on) These people are blowing alot of unnecessary hot air and as far as I can see, they are apart of the over all problem that they seem to keep bringing up.

I thank you for all of your service that you have put in. If it wasn't for people like you, America wouldn't be America. (some of these posters need to realize that)
If you need anything from here on the home front let me know thru my email. Fritos, gummi worms, hersey choc. etc... Smiles....Khristine

And investigation of the issues/allegations---what are you afraid of?

I didn't come on this board to argue about the govt or have you tear apart my life. I came on this board to support a GOOD COP.
With 3 kids I don't have the time to watch tv let alone disect Bush. As it is, the laundy's not getting done and the house is falling apart by me being on this board. (I've spent to much time here).
Our water supply might have small amounts of rocket fuel, (it shouldn't be there), but it's not enough to kill people.
Anytime you have a PEACEFUL protest with more than 1, the outcome isn't going to be good. You, yourself might be peaceful about the protest, but others in your group maybe alittle more extreme then you.
Do I believe in War? I don't want to see our soldiers killed or any children, but I believe at times it's necessary. I stood at ground zero, I knew people at ground zero. I felt energy there that you wouldn't believe. I cried, after crying the rage that built up inside of me was enough for an army. Do I want our troops home? YES I DO! But that's not going to happen. Whether it's Bush/Kerry/Green party or independent. Are we in the middle east for OIL? YES we are.
Someone stated earlier that we need to go back to being tribes. Do you know what tribes are today? there gangs. That's why we need police.
tribe's used sticks and stones- today that's batons and tazers
Disban our police/military- that's anarchy
equalization? they tried that once, it's called communists.
You all are probably jumping up and down right now, yelling at the screen.
I have to go, there's graduation, football practice starting and ballet.
I realize nothing is perfect, but I also am not going to expend anymore energy here.
Thanks for all your thoughts, Khristine

I hope that when you go back to your slef-proclaimed "bubble" of denial, that maybe you'll be a little more critical/analytical of the status quo in the future. Of course ,things may never be perfect, human aren't perfect---but too much of the time people use "things aren't perfect" as an excuse no to do/say/investigate anything. It's a cop out.

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Like anyone is the slightest bit shocked.
Like anyone is the slightest bit appalled anymore by the breathtaking litany of utter BS oozing forth from the White House these days, this time about how one of BushCo's top oil-lovin' henchmen has been hacking away at countless scientific reports for over two years, editing them at will, all to downplay the effects of emissions on global warming.

His name is Philip Cooney, and he has zero scientific training whatsoever and was formerly the "climate-team leader" (read: top flying monkey) and a lobbyist at the American Petroleum Institute, the largest trade group representing the oil industry. He is now chief of staff for the White House Council on Environmental Quality, the group that helps devise and set the nation's environmental agenda; Cooney's cuts and edits of scientific emissions and global warming reports often made it into final White House policy.

Isn't that just the cutest thing? Aren't you just, like, yawning with ennui at the bitter repetition of it all? At how savagely and biliously common these stories have become?

Or how about that other story about how Bush's decision not to sign the Kyoto Treaty, the landmark environmental policy signed by 122 other nations to reduce greenhouse emissions, was influenced not at all by sound science or serious concern for the planet, but by pressure put on him by his pals at ExxonMobil and other major oil corporations? Did you read that one?

Thus proving what everyone already knows: Bush cares about as much for the health of the planet and for air quality and for the future of your miserable stupid emphysemic kids as a snake cares for lip balm.

Or rather, in more plain terms, it means this: The environmental policies of the most powerful and gluttonous nation on the planet are being written by the world's most powerful oil company. Which is, of course, a bit like our national dietary guidelines being written by Burger King, or our national health care guidelines being written by Merck, or our national school curricula being written by lost born-again Neanderthal creationists. Oh wait.

This, as we all now know, is the BushCo way.

TACTICS. (1) LIE, LIE, LIE (favorite tactic of dirty cop terrorists.) (2) TASER TWICE, then finish off with a bullet to kill. (3) Hey dirty cop terrorist, what is your motto: shoot TO KILL ? (4) Hey dirty cop terrorist, wear a camera next time. maybe, then you will be believed. Right now, you look and smell like dirty cop terrorists. JUNE 10 FRI. 2005.

Dirty terrorist cop. Tsk Tsk, you really know how to hurt a guy. I thought my grooming was above the norm. and I'm an anti-terrorist, get your facts straight.

I'll try to be nice. There more than likely is a video of this event. You won't get access to it until all investigations are finished and the city says you can.

You want to sharp shoot the issue and name call because 1. You were not there 2. You don't do this for a living so really have no idea of what's involved 3. I think that the name calling comes from you're trying out for the force and being found wanting. Go back to masturbating to gun magazines and Adam 12 reruns.
I don't mind discussing issues, but have little tolerance for those that only want to tear things down but do nothing constructive.

Tiger, this was not directed at you. Most police departments only have so much money for training. What the priority is depends on the department, but 1st aid, traffic accident investigation, radar, DV, sexual assault, etc, all require training on how to handle them. because of Columbine all departments now handle school incidents differently, another thing to practice. PPCT gives you about 4 things to do control wise, but hardly anytime gets spent on it.



Khristine, hope it works out for the family member.

Police are a waste of tax payer money so we should

1- FIRE all Police officers.
2- Have a smash up derby with their former cruisers.

What do Police do anyway? Nothing usefull thats for sure.

They cant even handle themselves in a one on one fight, they need like 10 officers to take down ONE guy LOL.

anyway thats my opinion.

Do your mommy and daddy know you are using their computer? I don't think I could properly school you, but lets take it further. Get rid of the post office, public health, schools, fire dept. social security, road crews, utilities(just the public ones) just get rid of it all and we can all go back to a happy nomadic existence. You do know why they were nomadic? Had to get away from the shitpiles and carcasses. Why all that you see around you is just the man trying to bring you down. Electricity, water, sewage treatment is all a lie to sap your freedom. Childhood immunization is just to enslave you man. So run, run , run away to the desert and be free.
Then when a cop finds you and gives you 1st aid and saves your sorry ass from dying you can think about your remarks.

DIRTY COP TERRORIST with "police powers." (1) extremely, extremely dangerous (2) dirty cop terrorist need to be rfid'd while on the job. (3) like a lab rat (4) literally getting away with murder, every day. (5) Watch your back, you contemptuous dirty cop terrorists with "police powers." JUNE 12, 2005...Sun.

LOL whats all this about dirt cop terrorists? I dont know about you but weaklings like them dont terrorize me.

Anyway Joel put forward a few questions for me which I would like to answer.

Do my mommy and daddy know I'm using their computer?

No but I know your mom and dad are wondering where all their donuts went to.

Q-And you dont think I could possibly school you.

A-I know that because it only takes a grade 3 education to be a

cop and I graduated college.

Q-Get rid of the post office, public health, schools, fire dept.

social security, road crews, utilities(just the public ones) just

get rid of it all and we can all go back to a happy nomadic

existence.

A- Sure we dont need any of things either.

Q-You do know why they were nomadic? Had to get away from

the shitpiles and carcasses

A- Nope it's because Deer and other animals moved to different places so people had to go where the food was, and Carcasses were rarely left because humans would use most of it up and whatever was left was eaten by animals later.

Q-Why all that you see around you is just the man trying to bring you down.

A- It's very unlikely "the Man" would bring anybody down without help from at least 5 other officers, thats why the Police play two hand touch football.

Q-Electricity, water, sewage treatment is all a lie to sap your freedom

A-Nope Electricity and Sewage running back into our drinking water and where aquatic life lives isnt very good because of all the pollution it creates.

Q--childhood immunization is just to enslave you man. So run, run , run away to the desert and be free.

A- wouldnt need immunization if the Europeans hadent brought back a wack of weird diseases from all over the world to North America.

Q- Then when a cop finds you and gives you 1st aid and saves your sorry ass from dying you can think about your remarks.

A- LOL a cop saving someones life? like that would ever happen.

Don't eat donuts. Do know that with out a college degree your chances of getting on are almost nil.
if you want to live with out all that stuff I mentioned, come to kandahar. Not much of anything here. Lots of nomadic people, just getting by. Annual income is about $50.
You could be right about saving people. Every traffic accident I got to, there was nothing I could do for the person. There was one 12 year old that lived after getting hit by a car, but he had permanent brain damage.
Sorry, you had such a bad experience with the law up to this point. For the most part it's not personal, unless you're one of the child molesters. have a special hatred in my heart for those.

Love you. Got to go
your buddy
Joel

No bad experience with the law actually I just enjoy arguing.

and since you stopped, you ruined my fun.

Anyway theres alot more people to argue silly things about with

around here so have a good one.

This is a response to your comment that was not directed at me. Were the hell is all the tax dollars going to. Why are Police precincts so under funded. You know if we stopped wasting tax dollars on some ridiculous was we could really change things. If politicians stopped getting paid lots of money to sit and do nothing we could have better school. If police officers were trained better then they wouldn’t be shooting unarmed people. What solution do you think we should take to end police brutality? What solution do you think would help reduce and ultimately end crime?

Kristine sorry if I offended you by anything I said. I meant nothing by it. Its just that in the past year or so in my hometown 8 or 9 people have been killed by the police. All of these people that were shot were unarmed. How can you trust someone to protect you if all there doing is killing unarmed people, because they felt scared or were in fear. Also you do tend to not see things as other people, for instance the government. Also you should take time out from your busy day to explore some of the plans and things the government is up too. You would be surprised to learn some of the things they have done. I am no saying that all government is bad, just that it could use a lot of work.

There are lots of things that can be done. I just don't think people really want what they say they want. In Alaska, it's unlawful for anyone under 19 to have cigarettes. yet every day I drop my kid off at high school I see a pack of smoking teens on school grounds. The school say"Not my job", the cops are too busy with real crime, yet this law was passed with lots of support.

Several years back the city had photo radar installed in school zones. It was active only when the decreased speed limit was in effect. People were attacking the radar vehicles.

No one really says what they mean in public office and those demanding something often don't realize what they are demanding. What's a crime? Something immoral or something that causes suffering? Is it a crime for the city to get funds for one thing and divert it to another project? What happens when the city does more good by doing that?


Hold the govt. accountable for what it does ..
Make people accountable for their actions and quit making excuses for bad choices.
Re-examine the tax code and make it easier to understand. Don't let any company with a US govt contract get out of paying US taxes.
Don't let any company making money in the US get out of paying US taxes

Start an organization like the WPA for those that want a job and have them clean up all the fucked up broken down shit out there. I'm not talking about the handjob projects that get some media and then fade away. I mean a real, true to life rebuilding of infrastucture.

One thing on my wish list is a public flogging for the Enron,WorldCom types. If their take home pay is more than the annual budget of an American city, and they get it by screwing employees and investors, make them pay. put them down at my level and make it hurt. maybe that would discourage future excess. Or not. still sounds like fun.

I have more ideas, but I think it's as likely to happen as my becoming a Calvin Klein underwear model.

With all due respect to everyone here with your deep rooted opinions, beliefs and maybe even personal envolvement. This all started with an officer involved shooting that left a person dead. A human being that was the father of 3 children, a son, an uncle and brother. Please keep in mind that as of now, NOBODY has yet to hear from the victims family, witnesses, hear the 911 call or know 1st hand the events that lead up to this tragedy. At this point, you have the media, the media, and the media. I'm sure we all know the reliability of that source.

There are good cops and there are bad cops. There are undoubtedly bad seeds in every profession that exists. Take into consideration the 'riders' in oakland, the corrupt police in East LA and the Fagan trial in San Francisco. From a personal point of view, I have family members that are officers of the law and also a friend that has lost their life in the hands of the law. For those with a genuine interest in this case, take a stand in your city and how police investigations are handled. Write, attend and participate in local political meetings and hold your city officials accountable for answers. Don't assume that a cop is never wrong because he wears a badge. I believe that there are many officers on the force that uphold outstanding service and there are also officers that shouldn't be officers.

This specific officer took the life of another human being. Badge or no badge, that is the bottom line.

To Khristine, You should have all your facts together before you go and open your mouth!. Saying that my cousin was a sex offender, Im sorry but if your trying to make him seem like he was some monster you are wrong. Just like me, you were not there that night, so none of us will ever know what really happend. For you to say the cop was justified is also wrong, once again you do not know the truth.But I can tell you this, I have seen the coroners report and the body of my dead cousin. If the officer were properly trained he would have known that shooting their taser guns at close range is little to non affective.Now whether my cousin did take the baton is up in speculation right now and the case is still under investigation. Im not defending anyside, I just do not want my Cousin or my family to be betrayed as sex offender's or bad people.

Yeah I guess we watch the news, read the paper and rush to look people up on Megas law??? I'm sure another chicano with the same name and maybe a mustache was assumed to be Samuel.

Well Khristine, your "GOOD COP" and his "justified" actions will have to explain himself in a grand jury hearing.......and just in case you didn't know... cases don't go there unless the facts known warrant an investigation at that level.

Things that make you go hmmmm......

TO SAY THAT SAMMY DESERVED TO DIE BECAUSE YOUR COWARD ASS HUSBAND SAYS, MAKES ME WANNA VOMIT ON YOUR GRAVES.I JUST HOPE IM STILL AROUND AND YOUR NOT SO I CAN ENJOY THAT.COWARD ASS POLICE GANGS ARE ALWAYS GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER BECAUSE OF THEIR "CODE OF COWARDS." WHY DIDNT YOUR SO CALLED "HONORABLE HUSBAND" WAIT FOR BACK UP OR SIMPLY STRIKE SAMMY WITH HIS BATON UNTIL HE FELL? IT'S BECAUSE HE AND MANY OF HIS FELLOW GANGSTERS ARE COWARDS AND PUSSIES.FOR THE REST OF HIS PATHETIC LIFE HE WILL SEE SAMMY'S FACE IN ALOT OF HIS NORMAL ROUTINES AND I KNOW HE'S SCARED SHITLESS. SJPG COVERS UP MURDERS OF INNOCENT VICTIMS ALL THE TIME. OR THEY WILL SIMPLY HIT SOMEONE WHILE THEY ARE ON THE FLOOR BLEEDING. IF IARGUE WITH MY GIRLFRIEND AND I DECIDE TO HIT HER, I WILL GO TO JAIL. SO WHY DO YOU COWARDS GET AWAY WITH HURTING SOMEONE JUST BECAUSE HE HAS A ATTITUDE? OR CUFFING SOMEONE WHO'S ON THE FLOOR BLEEDING.HOW WRONG IS THAT? DONT YOU HAVE ANY NUTTS JOEL? APPARENTLY NOT. OR WHAT ABOUT THE KILLING OF RUDY CARDENAS. WHAT A COMPLETE LACK OF JUSTICE! SHOT IN THE BACK IN STRAIGHT COLD BLOOD. I BET YOU THINK HE'S A GOOD COP ALSO DONT YOU. YOU ALSO SAYING THAT MOST SO CALLED PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATIONS ARE NEVER PEACEFUL? WELL THEIR NOT ILLEGAL EITHER AND IF THEY BECOME UNPEACEFUL ITS BECAUSE SAN JOSE POLICE GANG HAS ARRIVED. THEY BEAT PEOPLE DOWN 10-1 AND NOTHING HAPPENS> DO YOU CALL THAT HONORABLE! I CALL THAT A GANG GANGING UP ON SOMEONE THEY PERCIEVE NOT TO BE IN THEIR GANG. SO SHAMELESS COWARDS. YOU DONT SAVE LIVES. FIRST YOU END SOMEONES AND YOU RUIN THEIR FAMILIES LIVES BY THEIR PASSING AWAY! SAMMY HAD NO SEX CRIMES ON HIS RECORD AND FOR YOUR PATHETIC FAMILY AND YOUR PATHETIC FELLOW GANGMEMBERS TO CREATE THAT LIE DOESN'T SURPRISE ME AT ALL. AFTER ALL YOUR SO CALLED HONORABLE CAREERS ARE NOTHING BUT FABRICATED LIES. MANY OF YOUR REPORTS ARE METHODICALLY FILLED OUT WITH THE INTENTIONS OF DEHUMANIZING THE SO CALLED SUSPECT.POLICE DEPARTMENTS COVER UP THEIR CRIMES VERY WELL BECAUSE ONE OF THEIR CRIMINALS, WHO HIDES BEHIND A SORRY ASS LITTLE STAR, COMMITS A CRIME AND THEY DONT WANT THE CITY GETTING SUED. HOW DO YOU EXPECT TO GET RESPECT LIKE THAT? IM SURE YOU DONT CARE IF YOUR RESPECTED OR NOT. WELL JOSH BEHIND THAT PIECE OF SHIT BADGE YOU WEAR AND THAT FAKE ASS INTIMIDATION TACTICS YOU TRAIN FOR, YOU ARE NOT A GOOD COP BUT A SOFT ASS PUSSY. WHY DO YOU PULL YOUR GUNS OUT ON ALMOST EVERY OCCASION? IT'S BECAUSE YOUR JUST BEGGING FOR THAT SUSPECT , WHO ALLEGEDLY BROKE A SO CALLED LAW, TO GIVE YOU A REASON TO SHOOT.

I'm hurt. Really hurt that you feel this way. I don't know how I'll be able to live another day after your scathing insight into the injustice inherent in the system. Help, help, I'm being oppressed!

I tried to explain earlier, but you self righteous bastards know it all after the fact. i can tell you there are evil people in this world. The people chosen to deal with the stupid, the inebriated and the evil are picked by your government. be it city,state, county or federal. You don't like the way it is change it. Become one yourself and see how it is.

As for my nuts, I do have them, but they don't see much action these days. Celibacy due to geographic separation. But, thanks for asking.
I have added a picture for you viwing pleasure from iraq,
As always, your buddy
Joel

Well joel, I guess if you are humble enough to offer pig protecting Kristine your best in regards to the action of her "family members" personal involvment in killing an unarmed citizen, then maybe your in the right place, actively supporting the Bush regime's fight for oil. I guess life on the beat didn't offer you enough opportunities to draw your weapon than Iraq does, which seems to have you 'at peace' with your actions.

And another thing, YOU ARE WRONG... according to the San Jose Police Department, this dept. has 'a few' dash cams, but coincidentally, not on this specific officer involved car. Also, other than the lone officer that violated department protocols by responding and acting alone, there are no other witnesses.... and dead people can't testify..

San Jose police and the SJPD POA (Police officers association) are heavily AGAINST incorporating video cams on all police cars and also taser guns... The taser gun video was recently proposed as a result of the alleged abuse and unnecessary use of the taser in this city. So... there is NO RECORD of this incident other than that of the actual murderer with a badge himself.

with all due respect on both sides....
Let's remember that 911 was called and the suspect put the officers life in danger. I don't see this as a Murderer with a badge as some of you do. This is a horrible thing to have happen for both parties involved.
Police are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
It seems as though most of the people on these message boards are looking ONLY at what the police do wrong thru a microscope and are in denial of the other individual(s) involvement.
why is it that the latino community in san jose is claiming police brutality on them? Isn't san jose made up of mostly latinos and vietemese? Is it possible that it is the people that the officers are encountering and not their trainning?

Yes, it is murder. One person killed another - point blank. Murder is the act of taking another human beings life. If we called it manslaughter, that would mean that it is an unintended accidental death caused by someones negligence. People don't pull out guns and shoot somebody 5 TIMES AT CLOSE RANGE accidentally to slightly injure or disable them - not 2 or 3 as the media has reported .

911 was called to a disturbance, not a knife, or gun wielding psycho. The department has reported NO INJURIES to the officer which had their been any, im sure that would have flooded the headlines. The San Jose Police Department has had six officer involved shootings in the past 2 years, all except one fatal. The San Jose PD is armed with pepper spray, batons, tasers and guns. Lethal force should be their last resort. This guy was unarmed and the cop was uninjured. I find that hard to justify.

What else can the officer say? I shot him because I was scared? Of course he's going to say that his life was in danger. If his actions were so 'validated', he wouldn't be answering to a Grand Jury, which he will. A few weeks ago, the chief of police had to answer to the citizens of this city after a taser report revealed that 53% of 110 tasers were used on latinos. People here are fed up with excessive force in general. Not to mention the endless brick walls, unanswered questions and lack of regard for human life by the department when someone is killed by the police. People just assume, well, he must have been doing something wrong. So shouldn't he go to jail and not the cemetery?

Your question about the population, well NO, actually the percentage of white people living in San Jose is higher than that of the latino, vietnamese and black. Asian : 28.4%, Hispanic 31.4%, White: 34.3%, African American: 2.6%, Other: 3.3%. Source: City of San Jose Demographics Report.

Take a close look at protests, marches and rallies in this city over police brutality, you'll see they are not all latino and vietnamese.

Easy Solution.

Lay off all Police Officers Because were wasting tax payer money

paying their salaries for a clearly useless profession.

I stated the statistics for officer involved shootings in San Jose over the past 2 years to be 6.

CORRECTION:
Over the past 1YEAR, there have been 6 officer involved shootings.

Yea...we need to dis-ban the government, the military and let go the police, so that we can all turn into civilian RATS and kill each other......

Idiots.....

Hey, thanks for thinking of me. I'm in Afghanistan, Kandahar province now. No oil here buddy.
The fact are. a 911 call was made. Police were summoned for a reason. Disturbance could mean you engaging in sexual acts with your pets again or someone gutting a family. It's a rather broad description of something not right. If the officer did anything not within policy he/she gets fried. You say all witnesses were killed? How about the 911 caller, how about the neighbors? Ibet they are not playing your BS games. They will be subpoened for any investigation or trial. There may not be a dashcam, but there probably is a voice recording of the incident. You just can't get your hands on it because YOU DON'T NEED TO. The investigators from the city/county/state do.

To quote Jim Carey from Liar Liar"Stop breaking the law,asshole". Kind of sums it up.

BTW, glad you liked the picture. I put it there just for you.

911 was called, I got that part. It was very clearly stated that it was 'an ex boyfriend banging on the back door', not a beastiality porno. I couldn't agree with you more on the Jim Carey quote, however, this isn't anywhere near someone breaking the law and going to jail, I'm sure his family wishes it was.

If you do your two years in jr. college, attend the police academy and take an oath to serve your city, don't expect your job to be just directing traffic, giving tickets and setting up speed traps and getting free coffee at 7-11. If you choose to do this job, be prepared to have some undesirable encounters and be able to HANDLE IT or you have no business on the force.

Bounty hunters track down nothing but criminals, do you see them shooting and killing people? Even more embarassing, prison guards spend hours within the same walls with convicted murderers and nothing but criminals and they DON"T EVEN CARRY GUNS.

(LAUGHTER) City and county officials....... City police investigate themselves, internal affairs (cops themselves) OK. maybe in a different building. County officials work directly with police everyday, the cops bring the DA their ciminals.. Do you really think they're really gonna convict on of them... yeah that'll happen, but not in this city and its track record proves it.

In real life, they sure do carry. I know a few. Depending on the state you can find yourself in a lot of trouble based on your actions as a bounty hunter. If you are talking about the guy on TV, man it's TV! Nothing on TV is ever like the real thing. The body fat content seems to be 10% on most of the people there. I'm next to an Army base in Afghanistan and see a few that meet that criteria.

While going through the Police Academy you do spend some street time to learn things. If you decide you can't handle it you quit.

The whole thing is, this was a shitty deal and a shitty day. I won't attack the officer for doing his job. And stopping the threat is part of his job.

Dis-ban
by sarcastic Thursday, Jul. 14, 2005 at 2:45 PM

Yea...we need to dis-ban the government, the military and let go the police, so that we can all turn into civilian RATS and kill each other......

Idiots.....

Why would everyone turn into rats and kill each other?

wouldnt the cats eat all the rats? and what about those who turn

into bats?

Dis-ban
by sarcastic Thursday, Jul. 14, 2005 at 2:45 PM

Yea...we need to dis-ban the government, the military and let go the police, so that we can all turn into civilian RATS and kill each other......

Idiots.....

Pardon me, but you've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a damn.

We should have a protest against all latinos, for the shooting death of a san leandro police officer.

There maybe some latinos that are innocent, but, the majority of them are guilty.

thank you very much

Latinos
by protest Wednesday, Jul. 27, 2005 at 7:25 AM

We should have a protest against all latinos, for the shooting death of a san leandro police officer.

There maybe some latinos that are innocent, but, the majority of them are guilty.

LOL what color is the sky in your planet?

We all Know ALL Police are criminals, selling drugs to our kids while keeping the facade or being the good guys.

Loss of life is devastating and life changing for the those involved anywhere and under any circumstance that it takes place. My heart is with anyone who is suffering loss.....

Now if only the ones that have been gunned down, tasered, hog tied and beaten to death could get that much respect for thier lives, they are human too.

Take extra caution in driving with a cell phone raised, bending over to tie your shoes while in clear view of an officer, sounds like there is escalation in 'use of force' coming about......

Bad night Patrick Guire????



Detective Stephanie Reinhardt reports that police officers heard screams coming from inside an apartment. Believing someone inside could be injured, they knocked on the door and were allowed entry. Quezada then allegedly advanced toward the officers with a broom handle and challenged the officers to fight. He then allegedly jabbed the broom handle at one of the officers. He uses the alias of Hermino Lopez and was last associated with a resisdence in the 2200 block of California Street in Mt. View.

oh no a broom handle! Thats the dealist weapon known to man.

The Humanity of it all.

oh no a broom handle! Thats the deadlyist weapon known to man.

The Humanity of it all.

I'm telling you.... Mr. Guire must have missed the class on dealing with combative or resistent people. This guy is lucky he didn't get shot and killed holding a broom handle while 'advancing at officers', which I'm sure is much more deadly that the alleged baton that Samuel supposedly grabbed....

No doubt, the officers here would have been sent home for paid vacation until the grand jury exonerates them as they all do. Its almost as though they are rewarded at the cost of the City of San Jose's tax payers.....

How's your rent payment comming??? Looks like your doors will be closing.

Someone wants to know how our rent is doing? The thing is for la Raza, this here land is our ancestral homeland. We have been here since man began in this continent Anahuak. We never did cross an ocean. So the question should not be how is our rent doing but why should la Raza be homeless in our own homeland? Reason why these unanimous writers have such a disdain for Raza. Reason why la Raza have been lynched, shot down by cops, imprisoned and directly attacked by a government and white nationalists responsible for the genocide of our people.

For To the Barrio:

Hows the rent doing? and the doors are closing? and your talking to a barrio which isnt a human being and cannot communicate?
Why not try talking to human beings next time? instead of inanimate objects.

For To Barrio defense:

Half your ancestors crossed an ocean to Turtle Island, or whatever you called it "Anahuak" because you La Raza guys are half spanish isnt it?

correct me if I am wrong!

We have spanish in us but not by choice. europeans invaders came to our sacred ancestral land and rape our people. You should come to one of our cultural programs to learn about the history of us.

I dont think being half spanish is a bad thing, Just I think you gotta know where you came from before you can find out where your going and denying your heritage whatever it is, is unhealthy.

But hey it's just my opinion and I've known to be wrong before.

DIRTY COP TERRORIST with "police powers." (1) extremely, extremely dangerous (2) dirty cop terrorist need to be rfid'd while on the job. (3) like a lab rat (4) literally getting away with murder, every day. (5) Watch your back, you contemptuous dirty cop terrorists with "police powers." JUNE 12, 2005...Sun. ---------------------------------------------------- Sept. 11 2005 Sun.

Well....looks like Mr. Guire was JUSTIFIED in his actions.....justice while your out trying to make up false stories and complaining about what tax payers are paying for, maybe you should try concentrating on teaching people how to respond to a police officer when they encounter one.

My thoughts and prayers do go out to the Martinez family for their loss.
With time all will be easier to live with, but never forgotten.

LOL - Justified? Obviously your not a resident of Santa Clara County or the City of San Jose, to know that every cop that shoots and kills here gets away with it.....

Patrick Guire has now officially joined the likes of many badged killers that have open fire on unarmed citizens, hidden behind 'secret' grand jury hearings and have gone right back on the streets... The record shows that there has not been an indictment against a SJ Officer since 1971, this case simply repeats the cycle. So if anyone takes pride in what you call 'justification' so be it...

False stories?
FACT: Samuel was unarmed
FACT: P. Guire reported no injuries, yet alleged he struggled with Samuel. All he had to say that was he felt 'threatened', that gives him the right to shoot.
FACT: I said the grand jury would not indict - they didn't
FACT: San Jose's tax payers have just paid for P. Guire to take a fully paid nearly 4 month vacation.

My advice to anyone encountered by police - GOOD LUCK.

Samuels 2 beautiful baby boys lives have been DESTROYED forever. Their father will NEVER sit on the bleachers during their baseball or soccer games, watch them graduate or get married. Losing the father that they adored will never get easier for them, it can only bring expected trials.. I hope this cop never forgets that....

Your half hearted condolences can only be more of an insult to the Martinez family.....

Why do you seem to look the other way and not accept that Samuel had any fault? just because he was unarmed?
So what if he was unarmed! If Samuel wasn't a threat then 911 was falsely called. I would take that up with the one who picked up the phone.
Your so called "Saint Samuel" put his childrens life in danger and a officers life in danger. So...it's ok to not comply with an officer, right? It's ok to fight with an officer, right? What world do you belong too? If Saint Samuel didn't want a problem, then he shouldn't have attacked a police officer!
DUH....and personally since I know the officer involved, I'm glad it wasn't the officer that was killed.
I am saddened that his children will be without him, but he didn't think of that when he was in non compliance with the officer.
Oh and by the way....just because the officer didn't go to the hospital, doesn't mean that he didn't show physical signs of a struggle!
I realize that you are on the opposing side, the side that lost a love one. As time goes by, maybe you'll realize that Samuel choose his actions that horrible night and that it's not all the officers fault!

Someone please let her physician know that she is 'off -balance' again.

Being unarmed is the worst part about it.... I could honestly say that if someone is shooting at you, you have a right to shoot back. cop or no cop, that would be clear 'imminent danger'. Not simply because he "did not comply". He's a cop, not god...

The chief himself recently stated at a local taser forum "the taser is not used as an option for non-complaince of verbal commands" -- looks like it was here....

The 911 call being 'x-boyfriend banging at the back door' a disturbance call.....911 gets called to domestic disturbances all day everyday... doesn't mean, they require de-escalation by gunfire...

How do you even know it was his kids house??? If banging on a back door = danger!, then he's guilty by all means... of endangering by banging.....

If a cop is even slightly scratched, bruised, they go all out, send them to the hospital, make a record of any and all injuries no matter how small they are.... thats just how it goes...He was attacked with no injuries is just like Its raining but theres no water....

If he did "attack" which I fail to see proof of because it doesn't exist, or he did not comply...he should have been arrested, tried by jury and dealt with in that way... Does Mr. Guire not question where was his back up or was he just so irritated that he had to leave the rest of the SJPD hanging out in downtown San Jose, chasing skirts after the big concert to go do his job?

I guess we all have are opinion, I don't understand if they had a conflict before and they couldn't detain him then what made this officer think he could do it at 3:00am in the morning by himself. I believe that officer had a chip on his shoulder, we all get drunk and act stupid sometime but that is not a cause for him to die. These officers new his pattern, his back ground. since his ex called the police and told them who he was and gave him his name, that officer new his back ground and at that moment why didn't he call for back up...

so what would the case be when a 2striker for drug offenses gets shot 7 times twice in the head, and one cop even says "what the fuck you trying to do kill him?" then find out the suspect is unarmed. regardless of the fact he threw his hands above his head stating "i aint got a gun".